# Searching/fumbling for a proof assistant

I was always very impressed with people who use proof assistants to do their maths. It seems like something from the future, mechanised, unerring, complicated, slightly incomprehensible, and it makes traditional pen-and-paper (well, LaTeX) maths seem quaint, artisanal, even obsolete. The contrast cannot be more striking when it comes to proving some complicated system (e.g. an operational semantics) satisfies some boring sanity property (e.g. reduction preserves typing). For such work lying at the border between mathematics and bureaucracy the use of proof assistants makes such a big difference that it is quite likely that in the not-too-distant future their use will be mandated. Mathematically, such proofs are rarely interesting (and the interesting bits can always be factored out into nice-to-present lemmas) but quite important. It’s a lot more like making sure a piece of code is free of bugs than showing that a piece of maths is interesting.

So I am sold on the importance of proof assistants, but which one to use? The first one I’ve tried was Coq. It is used very broadly, it has an established community of developers, and has been the engine behind some heroic achievements such as finally conclusively proving the Four Colours Theorem.

After a couple of weeks of reading about it, watching some tutorials, playing with it, I produced a tutorial/demo/taster where I prove some simple things about lists in Coq. There was enough information in this tutorial to allow some (smarter than average) first year students to work out some of their assignments using Coq, which was very impressive to me.

More recently I became exposed to Agda and, for the sake of comparison, I reworked the same tutorial/demo/taster in Agda this time. Agda is newer and smaller than Coq, and not quite as well known.

It is something a bit strange about doing a tutorial when yourself are a beginner. From a certain point of view it is dangerous because you may say or do things that are, for the expert, unusual or wrong. On the other hand, there is something positive to say about the innocent approach of the non-expert. Where I fumble you are likely to fumble, where I get stuck, you are likely to get stuck. These are the kind of tutorials where you don’t actually learn Coq/Agda, but you learn whether you want to learn Coq/Agda.

You can obviously draw your own conclusions from what you see in the videos, but I will also share my impressions. Both systems are wonderful and there is something about them that tells me that this is what the future should be like.

Working with Coq felt like driving a tank. Working with Agda felt like driving a Formula 1 car. Coq feels big and powerful, but not very elegant. Agda feels slick and futuristic but you can only wonder how the lack of a tactics language will work out in the trenches of a big boring project. Some of the more wonderful features of Agda (mixfix operators, seamless Unicode support, interactive development) I can see trickling into mainstream programming languages. The elegant proof-term syntax of Agda I can see more appealing to mathematically inclined users. Whereas the nuclear-powered tactic language of Coq is bound to appeal to hackers who just want to get (impressive) things done. But that’s just my opinion, and I don’t think it’s a very original or unique one.

Perhaps the main difference, for my money, between the two is the way I get stuck trying to get things done. In Coq it is quite often the case that I know how to achieve a proof goal but I cannot figure out what is the tactic I should use to achieve it or how to find it — so I blame Coq. Whereas in Agda, when I get stuck it’s because I made a mistake and I get an incomprehensible error message — but then I blame myself. Because of that, I end up being quite frustrated working with Coq whereas I derive a lot of satisfaction working with Agda.

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### 4 Responses to Searching/fumbling for a proof assistant

1. Cody says:

Here’s the thing about Coq though: the tactic language allows a “reasoning level of abstraction” that is pretty important when proving large theorems. I find it hard to believe that Coq and Agda are even on the same turf. I feel that things will go more in the direction of Idris/F*/Liquid Haskell: dependent types not used to prove large theorems, but to guarantee small invariants, or simply to increase flexibility of static typing.

2. My policy (and advice) is to always choose the proof assistant that the majority of people around you use. I have mostly used Coq, but if you and Martin are both using Agda then I will switch to that when I come to Birmingham!

• Dan Ghica says:

Martin and my student Olle are the experts. Frederik Nordvall Forsberg is also going to be here soon. We’ll be a hotbed of Agda!

• Martin Escardo says:

My student Chuangjie Xu is also an Agda expert by now.